Re: Racism and YEC (WAS:Four items of possible controversy)

In a message dated 11/26/03 5:19:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dfwinterstein@msn.com writes:
Rich wrote:

"we are talking about whether there are real racial differences that would
enable one group to dominate another and there are. We are being
progressively dominated by a people who practice an ancient religion that destroys
other religions. The secret of their success is eugenics."

People have hated Jews for as long as there have been Jews. Europeans have
made an industry out of this hatred for centuries, and it appears to be
thriving still. I suspect a lot of the hatred stems from the outsized impact that
Jews have had on every civilization and culture they've been immersed in. Jews
have often overcome the obstacles that others have deliberately put in their
way and made their influence felt in extraordinary ways. I admire and respect
them for that.

However, if they're having any success in destroying our religion, then it
must be due to our own failures. After all, Christianity itself is trying to
destroy all other religions in that its expressed intent is to convert everyone
in the world to its way of thinking. Islam likewise. If external appearances
count for anything, both Christianity and Islam are more forceful in their
efforts to convert people than is Judaism; so it seems the Jews should be more
fearful of us than we of them.

Assuming the Jews are actually having any success in "dominating" us, I'd
venture the success stems more from their culture than their high IQ's; more from
their adherence to their traditions and their resultant sense of group
identity than from eugenics. It's widely accepted that someone with a moderate IQ
who applies himself will outperform someone with a high IQ who doesn't. Jews
seem more successful than many other groups in motivating their children to
perform, to make an impact on the world. I attribute this far more to their
values than to their physical attributes.

And I for one do not feel the least bit threatened by Jewish successes. I
don't perceive Jews as constituting a monolithic entity that's out to get me and
my religion. Rather, more often than not they are an oppressed and hated
minority doing their best to do their best, all the while working hard (in many
instances) to preserve their identity as a distinct people.

Don
In response to Don's comments:

I have made no comments regarding my personal feelings, such as hatred
of anyone or my jealousy of anyone, so most of this testament to the Jews I
can ignore.

I agree with Don that it is due to our own failures that Judaism has any
success in destroying our religion. What Don does not realize is that
destroying other religions is the essence of Judaism. It is the core of the Old
Covenant. You just have to read it, you don't even have to interpret it.
Eugenics is in Jacob's breeding of Laban's flocks and in today's reality
of ashkenazi IQ differentials. You can't have those differntials unless
you have selective breeding. NO more need be said. It's exhaustively attested
in the Biblical and historic literature. I've presented quotes from best
selling books on the subject to no avail.

If the Jews were to lead us away from the Levitical prohibitions like
the Pied Piper via the media, and that led to our demise as a distinct
people (as you say the Jews are right to strive to remain!) would that qualify
for you as an example of Judaism destroying of our religion?

I am not threatened by Jewish success. I am disheartened by Christian
misunderstanding of plain scriptural language.

 “The land which you are entering and will possess is a polluted land,
polluted by the foreign population with their abominable practices, which have made
it unclean from end to end. Therefore do not give your daughters in marriage
to their sons, and do not marry your sons to their daughters, and never seek
their welfare or prosperity. Thus you will be strong and enjoy the good things
of the land, and pass it on to your children as an everlasting possession.”

Could it be any clearer?

The Jews are not a monolithic group. I never said that. That is an
oversimplification of the tripartite sacrifical system, shared by the Indo-Aryans of
the Rg Veda and Judaism by way of Zoroaster. It is not monolithic but
organized by function.

The rest of your post is a description of the world you would like to live
in, not the world that is.

rich faussette
Received on Wed Nov 26 13:13:20 2003