Re: Darwinian and non-Darwinian (was Re: RFEP & ID)

From: George Murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Mon Sep 29 2003 - 11:38:14 EDT

  • Next message: Dr. Blake Nelson: "Re: Darwinian and non-Darwinian (was Re: RFEP & ID)"

    I've got to agree with Glenn here. There are no naked facts bereft of any
    theoretical presuppositions or interpretations.

            You say below, "If a plane crashes, *something* went wrong." Really? When
    planes struck the Twin Towers 2 years ago, Osama bin Laden didn't think that anything
    had "gone wrong." He thought that what had happened was profoundly right. Similarly
    for Japanese kamikaze pilots. & for that matter even calling those events "crashes" is
    misleading because it suggests that they (like most plane "crashes") were accidental
    rather than deliberate.

                                                            Shalom,
                                                            George

    Dr. Blake Nelson wrote:
    >
    > What a novel, literal approach to the phrase.
    >
    > If a plane crashes, *something* went wrong. The crash
    > (the thing) speaks for itself that something went
    > wrong.
    >
    > What exactly went wrong is a different matter and
    > beside the point for the use of the phrase, because it
    > is generally used in liability contexts where someone
    > bears the risk of the failure, unless they can show
    > that *something else* was responsible.
    >
    > A little context is usually a good thing to avoid
    > confusion.
    >
    > --- Glenn Morton <glennmorton@entouch.net> wrote:
    > >
    > > 9-28-03
    > > >-----Original Message-----
    > > >From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
    > > [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
    > > >Behalf Of Jay Willingham
    > > >
    > > >The law has a saying, "res ipsa loquitor", e.g.
    > > "the thing speaks for
    > > >itself".
    > >
    > > res - thing, object, being, matter, affair, event,
    > > fact, circumstance.
    > >
    > > You know, I have sat outside at night under the
    > > stars, in a library with
    > > lots of facts, and you know, I have never heard a
    > > fact speaking for itself.
    > >
    >
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    George L. Murphy
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