From: Richard.Kouchoo@firstdata.com.au
Date: Mon Sep 22 2003 - 01:27:55 EDT
>>>You don't ever seem to answer questions. I don't know how you deal with
sociopaths like my mother, who had no conceience. I don't know who your
favorite philosopher is. I don't even know why you keep calling me names.
(Walter Hicks, are you listening in). With every note you fly a little
closer to the sun. Come back down a bit and lets DISCUSS things rather than
have a monologue accusing me of all sorts of things. My my, genocide? wow.<<<
Glenn,
Implications are all important.
Genocide is just an example, an implication, of your proposed evolutionary
development of morality. Why should some groups not destroy others if it's good
for their evolutionary advancement - survival is the game in this scheme. Nazis
used this kind of reasoning to excuse their immorality.
Please stop telling me that I 'name-call'. I haven't done anything of the sort.
If you want me to get off this list, ask me nicely, and I'll be on my way.
"Glenn Morton" <glennmorton@entouch.net> on 22/09/2003 01:04:38 PM
To: <Richard.Kouchoo@firstdata.com.au>
cc:
Subject: RE: Capuchin's show sense of justice/fair play
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>From: Richard.Kouchoo@firstdata.com.au
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>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:25 PM
>To: Glenn Morton
>Subject: RE: Capuchin's show sense of justice/fair play
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>>>>>absolutely nothing is unquestionable.<<<
>>>
>>>If nothing is unquestionable, then this statement is itself questionable,
>>>therefore in the least, it cannot be trusted.
>
>>On this we agree. You are certainly questioning it. Therefore nothing is
>unquestionable!<
>
>So what can you be sure of, if as you admit, even this statement is
>questionable? This agnosticism and _not_ Christianity.
I am sure of my salvation. But that isn't a mathematical proof. Little in
life is.
>
>Applying the same satndard, you say "I do believe there is truth, objective
>truth". How do you know that you believe that (I'm not asking you how you
>know there is truth, I'm asking you, how you know that you know? After all,
>given your own standard, you've gotta question that.)
You keep confusing belief with know. I BELIEVE there is objective truth.
That is faith. Have you ever heard of faith? Faith is the substance of
things hoped for, the assurance of things not seen. Ever heard of that?
Quit trying to make Christianity a proof. It is a faith.
>
>And why do you call youself a Christian.
Because I accepted Jesus as my savior. How do you think a person becomes a
Christian? obviously, what I did doesn't seem to be enough for you.
Given you propensity to ask
>self-refuting questions, _how_ can you believe that Christ rose from the
>dead and more importantly: _Why_ do you believe that?
Because of the work he has done in my life.
>
>If your Capuchin's example has any viability then I really don't know why
>you're a Christian since it really says that truth evolves based on
>evolutionary development. It's not time to get bored, it's time to wake up
>and smell the implications:
Walter, this is what I face many times with the anti-evolutionists.
>
>Corollary 1: Are you telling me that unjustified genocide (or indeed
>genocide per se) for example, can evolve to become a 'good' or a 'just'
>thing in the human mind?
Where in the world did this come from. I haven't used the word genocide in
any context in our discussions. Are you having reading problems again?
And I don't see any logical connection between Capuchins having a sense of
justice and the evolution of Genocide. There are just too many logical
steps (if there are any steps at all) to follow this line of, thinking???
>
>The _immoral_ and unjust implications stemming from this idea can be
>extended ad infinitum. Indeed no universal justice and neither absolute
>moral truth can exist if the idea has any merit. What is the need for a
>sacrificial death if universal justice is not there.
Well please don't ascribe being genocidal to me. I haven't killed anyone
yet. Maybe in another universe I am that genocidal maniac you describe.
Maybe you knew me there and are an escapee from that universe. :-)
>
>Corollary 2: Are you saying that all Christian fathers' beliefs, held for
>the past two thousand years, are absolutely irrelevant?
Gee, I must be having memory lapses or Alzheimers. I don't recall saying
anything like that at all. Settle down there, down under, will you? Too much
blood rushing to your head.
That they were all
>wrong and the _Johnny come lately_ postmodernist likes of Teilhard, were
>right? (you sound awfully like him - Teillhard "molecules sin" de Chardin)
Gee, and I am not even Catholic. And all this from merely posting an
interesting news item on Capuchins. Wow. You really can read a lot into
things, can't you? It is kind of hard to take you seriously when you go off
like this.
You don't ever seem to answer questions. I don't know how you deal with
sociopaths like my mother, who had no conceience. I don't know who your
favorite philosopher is. I don't even know why you keep calling me names.
(Walter Hicks, are you listening in). With every note you fly a little
closer to the sun. Come back down a bit and lets DISCUSS things rather than
have a monologue accusing me of all sorts of things. My my, genocide? wow.
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