Re: My daughter is a YEC -- omphalos argument, "YEC" Nomenclature, &c.

From: Walter Hicks (wallyshoes@mindspring.com)
Date: Sat Sep 13 2003 - 21:03:37 EDT

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    Sorry if I implied anything to the contrary.

    The term YEC is used on this list almost always in a negative
    fashion and implying that one believes it as a matter of Christian
    Doctrine. Admittedly, some of the extreme supporters of Creation
    Science do so. If one is attacking those people, I think that we
    should be clear and call them "Creation Scientists" -- not YECs.

    Maybe there are some YECs who believe that it is a matter of
    Christian Doctrine but I cannot find any on the internet. I have
    searched under "statement of faith" and have yet to come up with a
    church which makes any statement about the age of the earth or a
    critique of evolution in that category. Web pages perhaps -- but
    never as a requirement to be a Christian.

    I think that it is just the fringe loonies who take that extreme
    view.

    Walt

    "Dr. Blake Nelson" wrote:

    > Sorry, apparently my statement below wasn't clear
    > enough.
    >
    > I do *not* equate the two.
    >
    > I cannot speak for others on the list, but I see the
    > two as distinct. I was unaware that YEC, at least as
    > you understand it and perhaps as others use it on the
    > list, is used to cover individuals who do not fit into
    > the categories that I indicated I use the acronym to
    > refer to.
    >
    > I hope that makes it clear. In other words, I *never*
    > intended to include the attitudes/beliefs of your
    > daughter in my use of the term YEC (although I have
    > not used the term very often).
    >
    > --- Walter Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com> wrote:
    > > It seems to me to be quite incorrect to equate so
    > > called "Creation
    > > Science" with the average person who happens to
    > > believe that Young
    > > Earth Creation is the truth. I believe that the
    > > statistics show
    > > that most Christians hold the YEC view. I know a
    > > number of them
    > > and none of them subscribe to that as a "Christian
    > > Doctrine". If
    > > they did they would not be in our church.
    > >
    > > There is always the danger of people like Gish and
    > > Morris sneaking
    > > in with pseudo science that could fool an average
    > > person. They are
    > > the one's to attack..
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Giving bad press to YECs in general does more harm
    > > than good in my
    > > opinion. It can easily turn then into an adversary
    > > who looks to
    > > "scientists" to prove you wrong. It can easily do
    > > exactly the
    > > opposite of what you intend.
    > >
    > > My daughter is YEC and she is a wonderful Christian
    > > Woman. I think
    > > that the sample space on this list may be highly
    > > skewed.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Walt
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Dr. Blake Nelson" wrote:.
    > >
    > > >
    > > > I would agree if when someone says YEC they mean
    > > > anyone who thinks the universe was created 6,000
    > > years
    > > > ago but does not espouse that as a christian
    > > doctrine.
    > > > When I have used YEC, as noted above, I mean
    > > > something other than someone who just happens to
    > > > believe in recent creation. Sorry for the
    > > confusion
    > > > in my use of the term.
    > > >
    > > > The fact of the matter is, unless it taints one's
    > > > understanding of Jesus (as I think it apparently
    > > does
    > > > for Gish), whether one believes in young or old
    > > earth
    > > > is immaterial to the working of the Holy Spirit in
    > > > one's life.
    > > >
    > > > It is obviously the case due to the historical
    > > fact
    > > > that the kerygma is effective regardless of the
    > > state
    > > > of scientific understanding in a culture (contrary
    > > to
    > > > the apparent beliefs of some of our less informed
    > > > recent and long-standing atheist visitors). The
    > > > kerygma is not about the scientific state of
    > > affairs,
    > > > but the Gospel of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.
    > > Our
    > > > response to it does not depend on our scientific
    > > > understandings or lack thereof.
    > > >
    >
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Walt Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>

    In any consistent theory, there must
exist true but not provable statements.
(Godel's Theorem)

    You can only find the truth with logic
If you have already found the truth
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