Re: Student perceptions re evolution

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Tue Aug 26 2003 - 14:14:43 EDT

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    On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:41:16 -0500 "Sarah Berel-Harrop" <sec@hal-pc.org>
    writes:
    > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:10:23 -0600
    > John W Burgeson <jwburgeson@juno.com> wrote:
    > >Dave wrote: "Anyone with a modicum of integrity
    > >recognizes that
    > >methodological naturalism is not metaphysical naturalism,
    > >but Phil
    > >continues to propagate his lie."
    > >
    > >I think this is a claim which cannot hold up. I know Phil
    > >Johnson, and
    > >while I disagree with him on this particular issue, I
    > >believe that he
    > >sincerely holds it with integrity, and, therefore, it
    > >may, indeed, be
    > >incorrect, but all incorrections are not "lies." (I think
    > >I may have just
    > >coined a word there).
    >
    > Yes, it's totally fruitless to infer intent. It is an
    > argument, not necessarily a lie.
    >
    > However, when someone consistently writes material that
    > is grossly incorrect, fairly consistently misquotes
    > and misrepresents the work of others to make his point,
    > quotes other peoples' positions in a two-faced manner,
    > equivocates in a two-faced manner, and continues to do
    > so even when corrected, the person may be considered an
    > unreliable source of information. Unfortunately a one-
    > liner requires a lengthy rebuttal in many cases.
    >
    > The extreme irony of doing it in the name of "Truth",
    > well ... this is where words fail me
    >
    >
    Please note, I did not infer motive with Johnson. If you like it better,
    he propagates a falsehood, whatever his motive. There is a proverb from
    Montenegro: When three wise men say you are an ass, bray.
    Dave



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