From: Josh Bembenek (jbembe@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 15 2003 - 20:36:08 EDT
David Wrote-
"The main claim of the current ID movement is that specifications in
biochemical systems are evidence of direct, intervention-style action in the
construction of the system, rather than, e.g., creating the universe in just
the right way so that the proper systems would evolve. This reasoning would
also imply that the mollusks must be intelligent to make such well-designed
shells. Thus, it is unfortunately not a straw man."
Let's review webster's shall we?
Implicit: not expressly stated, implied.
Imply: to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated.
Explicit: fully or clearly expressed or demonstrated; leaving nothing
implied.
Strawman: a conveniently weak or innocuous person, object or issue used as a
seeming adversary or argument.
Since when does attacking the implications of a theory derived in the mind
of a critic NOT fall into the category of strawman? I feel like I'm back in
grade school: that is a strawman argument, no its not, yes it is, no its
not, yes it is, no its not, yes it is...
"I'm willing to accept that RM&NS may not solve all of the riddles in light
of the ignorance we have about these systems (NOTE: This is in sharp
contrast to arguing that RM&NS and Sarah's mechanisms will NOT solve any
riddles--something I do not advocate despite the occasional abuse of my
words), others seem quite committed to never permitting such a ludicrous
possibility, despite our ignorance.
You are falling into the same error that you are objecting to. Asserting
that current ID approaches are unsound does not necessarily equate to
rejecting the possibility of supernatural mechanisms, much less does it
reject the possibility of appreciating design in nature."
Hmmm, the ability of RM&NS to problem solve natural systems says nothing
about the origin of RM&NS and its association with a creator, so I'm afraid
you aren't following closely to what I'm saying. Perhaps you need to read
up on Van Till to avoid this kind of either/or thinking about evolution.
Besides that, the category of "others" may or may not include yourself, but
Howard and Glenn certaintly fit there. Neither does the ability of RM&NS to
problem solve have anything at all whatsoever to do with appreciating design
in nature. Now your doing it to me, STOP!
Josh
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