Re: Sin?

From: John W Burgeson (jwburgeson@juno.com)
Date: Sat Aug 09 2003 - 11:10:25 EDT

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    Rich, on July 28th, cited an interesting part of the NYT article:

    :Article:
    In California in the 1950's, notes one historian, the Alcoholic Beverage
    Control Board "collapsed the difference between homosexual status (a
    state of being) and conduct (behavior) and suggested that any behavior
    that signified homosexual status could be construed as an illegal act.
    Simple acts such as random touching, mannish attire (in the case of
    lesbians), limp wrists, high pitched voices, and/or tight clothing (in
    the case of gay men) became evidence of a bar's dubious character" and
    grounds for closing it. . .

    Just a comment here, for I see this myth still being perpetuated. I know
    a fair number of both gays and lesbians, all either in committed
    relationships or (as far as I know) celibate.

    None of them I know -- NONE of them -- exhibit those particular
    characteristics "everybody knows" are characteristics of the gay/lesbian
    community. That there may be some, of course, who do exhibit it, is
    probably true. The gals I know who are lesbians dress as ladies; the guys
    I know dress as men. None of them would "stand out in a crowd."

    rich remarks:
    "There is no acceptable scientific evidence that homosexuality is a
    state of being though notice the NY times embraces the non-existent
    science here and invokes it without the caveat that even if it were true
    it would not account for the majority of homosexual behavior which is
    opportunistic. "

    The first part of the statement is obviously true, although, by the law
    of the excluded middle, "gay by nature" cannot be ruled out either. The
    evidence I have looked at seems rather scanty, and hardly persuasive. As
    to whether (or not) the "majority of homosexual behaviour in
    opportunistic," that probably is also true, if one considers that the
    majority of heterosexual behaviour is also (probably) that way.

    rich remarks:
    could it be that the discrimination, harassment, and stigmatization
    "well established" by the '60s could also be the backlash to the
    homosexual agenda which also began organizing during the sexual
    revolution of the '60s? "

    I think this is probably true. The backlash against those with dark skins
    lobbying for equal rights in the 60s obviously was caused, in large part,
    "because of those uppity n. "

    Dear me -- agreeing with Rich! <G>

    John Burgeson (Burgy)

    www.burgy.50megs.com

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