From: John W Burgeson (jwburgeson@juno.com)
Date: Wed Jul 23 2003 - 16:11:57 EDT
Wally wrote, engaging my basic argument, in part:
"I respectfully disagree with Burgy -- regardless of which position is
actually wrong. I believe that that the logic should be reversed ... ."
I figured you'd say that. I had written:
> In the end, I have to say my position is not 100% sure; I could be
wrong.
> I have two choices:
>
> 1. I can side with fundamentalist Christianity, Dobson and his FOTF
being
> one source I might follow, and declare that all homosexual activity of
> any kind anywhere is a "sin" in God's eye's, or
>
> 2. I can declare that I find no reason to include the specific case I
> cite above as "sin."
>
> If I take position 1, and I should have taken position 2, I do grievous
> hurt to some of God's people, falsely accusing them of sin where there
is
> no sin as far as God is concerned. When I do this, I have read into
> scripture what is not there; I have added to God's word.
Wally wrote: "To think that something is sinful when it not, is merely a
sign of a weak
faith. Paul discusses it in 1 Corinthians, chapter 8. Paul's advice is
to
abstain from what others consider to be sin, even if they are wrong."
That's an interesting argument, and one I had not considered. I think
what you are saying is that a person who is homosexual ought to live a
celibate life because to do otherwise might hurt the faith of a "weak
Christian" who thinks that all homosexual unions are sinful. Romans 8:13
reads ". 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin,
I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall." You
would argue that if it were modified into ". 13 Therefore, if my
same-gender relationship causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never
engage in a same-gender relationship again, so that I will not cause him
to fall."
Maybe. Paul is speaking of meat offered to idols, pagan "gods." There is
no particular religious action in a same-gender relationship. I cannot
really see that Paul (God) meant EVERY possible action in the verse. I
have known people who sincerely believed that if a male did not wear a
beard, he was sinning -- should I, therefore, refrained from the morning
shave? Secondly, it is the norm (I think) for heterosexual persons to
view homosexual acts with some repugnance. I know that is true for me, at
least. So my gay friend's relationship with his partner certainly does
not entice me to try out the same thing! For me to do so would be clearly
"sin." Even if I were not married.
I had written:
> If I take position 2, I may, indeed, be wrong, but I have done no harm
to
> anyone. I have failed, it might be argued, to have studied and
understood
> God's word as much as I should, but then, that is probably true of all
of
> us anyway.
Wally continues: "If wrong, you have done immense harm. You have openly
advocated doing sinful
acts and basically encouraged it by your statements. "
I understand this argument. It is a strong one. I must measure it, of
course, against the harm I have done if I take position 1 and I am wrong.
Either way I must run the risk of doing harm. But whether (or not) it is
"immense harm" is problematical. I am only one voice. Any harm I may do
is general in nature, spread among many. If I take position 1, I do
direct harm to identified people. I encourage homophobia, violence
against gays and lesbians, intolerance. I cannot do this.
Wally veers off into another topic, when he writes: "What this leads to
is the situation that exists in the liberal public schools in
Kennedyland. Children are taught that homosexual life styles are
acceptable (and they do
not restrict it to "loving relationships") and homosexual teachings are
creeping into the sex education classes. This would classify as one of
the worst things a person could do."
Worst? Surely you jest. But education issues, particularly in your
hamlet, are not exactly within my knowledge base. I understand you are
not going to vote for Ted Kennedy in the next election.
Wally ends by quoting Matthew 5:19: "Anyone who breaks one of the
least of these commandments and teaches
others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"
I don't see the relevance of that verse here so I'll close w/o comment.
Peace
John Burgeson (Burgy)
www.burgy.50megs.com
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