Re: Jim: All truth is God's truth

From: John Burgeson (burgythree@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 07 2003 - 17:49:07 EST

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    I asked Rich: "I am curious however -- what "Biblical moral law" are you
    referring to in the above?"

    Rich replied: "traditional moral law - without homosexuality for
    example..."

    The one place Dr. Spong and I agree upon (there may be others) is on the
    topic of homosexuality. We agree that it is not mentioned in scripture. We
    agree that the OT references to male homosexual activity are about as
    binding today as similar OT admonitions against eating pork -- or the
    admonition against embracing your wife for the first two weeks after
    childbirth. We also agree, as do others on this list, that the Sodom story
    is quite irrelevant to the issue.

    We also agree that scripture does speak against sexual perversity. But
    neither of us see any scriptural admonition against same gender long term
    domestic relationships, either male or female. It is true that some, using
    careless exegesis, have derived a "moral law" out of Paul's comments in
    Romans 1 in which he chastizes "godless people." I suspect that is what you
    refer to.

    I know quite well, and count as friends, three homosexual couples, two
    female, one male, and know casually a number of others. None of these
    persons fit the description of Paul's comments in Romans 1. One is now a
    full time pastor; two of the others are ministerial students.

    For many years Christians, good people, demonized others who were born with
    a different skin color, and did so on the grounds of their biblical
    exegesis. Thankfully, few do that anymore. But still today, good Christian
    people demonize others on the grounds of their inborn sexual orientation,
    orientations they did not choose.

    It will take a few more years, but this, too, will pass.

    Respectfully

    John W. Burgeson (Burgy)
    www.burgy.50megs.com

    >From: RFaussette@aol.com
    >To: asa@calvin.edu
    >Subject: Re: Jim: All truth is God's truth
    >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:15:08 EST
    >
    >In a message dated 1/6/03 11:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    >burgythree@hotmail.com writes:
    >
    >
    > > I hold no brief for Spong, although I do find his books fascinating
    >reading.
    > > I am curious however -- what "Biblical moral law" are you referring to
    >in
    > > the above?
    > >
    > >
    >
    >traditional moral law - without homosexuality for example...
    >rich

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