RE: Please show respect (was GEN 1-11: Beyond the concordist debate)

From: Shuan Rose (shuanr@boo.net)
Date: Wed May 08 2002 - 17:49:28 EDT

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            Hi Tom,
            Terry gray has pointed me to some ethics resources on the ASA
    website that
    has scientists and thelogians writing on this issue. I have not reviewed
    them, and will not get a chance to for a couple of days. i suggest that
    we both take a look at them before we continue. I am mindful of Jan's
    concern as well. Both of us feel that if Christianity is relevant at all,
    then it surely should be relevant in our everyday ethical decisionmaking. I
    will agree that it is not easy to discern the relevancy of the gospel to our
    workaday lives.But, dagnabit it, it SHOULD be relevant!
    The link is http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/ethics/default.html

    -----Original Message-----
    From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
    Behalf Of Tom Pearson
    Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:37 PM
    To: asa@calvin.edu
    Subject: RE: Please show respect (was GEN 1-11: Beyond the concordist
    debate)

    Jan, I appreciate your response to my questions for Shaun. I am often the
    last one to see the liabilities in my own understanding of things, so I
    welcome the chance to hear from others. Perhaps I can respond to both your
    post, as well as Shaun's, in what I say below.

    At 05:10 PM 5/7/02 -0400, Jan de Koning wrote:

    >Maybe, by saying why you think that there are no insights on this forum on
    >population control, you may get quite a discussion going.

    I did not say there are no insights on this forum on population control,
    only that I find it difficult to imagine that any such insights on
    population control would be necessarily "Christian" insights. I harbor the
    suspicion that a thorough assessment of the issues involved in population
    control, and the development of successful proposals to resolve those
    issues, are more likely to be derived from the principles of the natural
    and social sciences, and not from the principles of Christianity. In that
    sense, I also suspect that we are in fundamental disagreement over another
    of your comments:

    >Nothing is just "technical". Saying so removes the actions of
    >technical people and scientists from the rule of the lord.

    If by "technical," you mean generally pertaining to a specific professional
    community of practice, then I believe there is a great deal that is
    "technical."

    I teach ethics to students in engineering and physical sciences
    programs. When we discuss issues like moral decision-making in engineering
    design, reflected in such traditional cases as the Kansas City Hyatt
    Regency Hotel walkway collapse, or the O-ring failure in the Challenger
    Space Shuttle disaster, or the GM truck side-saddle gas tanks, we are
    drawing on the standards of moral excellence inherent in engineering
    practice, and not on the principles of Christianity. The essential message
    of Christianity has nothing to do with O-ring design.

    I also teach ethics to students in our business school. When we discuss
    issues like moral decision-making in accounting, as reflected in cases like
    the recent Arthur Andersen/Enron fiasco, we are drawing on the standards of
    moral excellence inherent in accounting practice, and not on the principles
    of Christianity. The essential message of Christianity has nothing to do
    with external auditing procedures or derivatives management.

    I am not sure what you mean by "removes the actions of technical people and
    scientists from the rule of the Lord." What "rule of the Lord" applies to
    me when I am trying to figure out what to do with an incompetent student
    who has a learning disability, or when I am responsible for deciding which
    of two candidates for a faculty position should get the job? The "rule"
    here, if there is one, seems to be derived from the professional practice I
    am in, and not from the Lord.

    As a Christian, and after several years of teaching and studying
    professional ethics, I'm pretty well convinced that it is extremely
    difficult, and mostly unnecessary, to take a set of ethical principles from
    some source (say, some alleged "Christian" ethical principles) and
    transplant them into very different professional contexts, and try to force
    them to fit. For one thing, the attempt to do just this sort of thing
    suggests that Christianity is a specific source of ethical norms, and I
    dissent from this (meaning, I know of no conclusive biblical or historical
    support for this argument). But even if there were a compelling argument
    that the Christian Gospel generates moral standards, those standards (like
    everything else in Christianity) would be universal in their scope, while
    the normative elements in technical and professional practices turn out to
    be highly particular and specific in their application. How often have all
    of us said to ourselves something like, "I'm supposed to be compassionate,
    as Christ was. But what exactly is the compassionate thing to do here, in
    this situation, in this professional context?" Christianity will not
    detail that. Communities of professional practice can develop such ethical
    guidelines over time, ones that are pertinent to the range of moral
    problems that arise in their distinctive activities.

    > Having reviewed books on genetic research I am more than ever
    >convinced that it is time that christian scientists see, that there are
    >grave dangers in genetic research.

    I believe you are right, Jan. There are indeed grave dangers in certain
    types of genetic research. But my recognition of that fact does not arise
    from hearing the good news in Jesus Christ. And more important, any sense
    of what is appropriate to do in the face of those dangers can only emerge
    from my professional judgment, informed by the best technical information I
    can get, and not from my worship of the crucified and risen One.

    Or so it seems to me.

    Tom Pearson
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    Thomas D. Pearson
    Department of History & Philosophy
    The University of Texas-Pan American
    Edinburg, Texas
    e-mail: pearson@panam1.panam.edu



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