RE: Phil Johnson

From: Moorad Alexanian (alexanian@uncwil.edu)
Date: Sat Sep 29 2001 - 14:24:31 EDT

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    I believe that if the word evolution is understood to mean that living things
    came from nonliving and that the whole process from nonliving to humans is
    based solely on mutations and natural selection, then it is true that if
    evolution is true, then the God of the OT is nonexistent is a true statement.
    To me hell is finding truth too late. I believe the later was stated by
    philosopher John Locke. Theistic evolutionists walk a rather thin line between
    deism and theism. At times I believe they have crossed the line and have left
    the Lord. I hope they do not find out too late! Moorad

    >===== Original Message From Dick Fischer <dickfischer@earthlink.net> =====
    >Moorad wrote:
    >
    >>I can't make any sense out of your post. I hope you do not mean what I think
    >>you mean. Moorad
    >
    >I think PJ is to Christianity as Pete Rose is to baseball, only
    >worse. When we are unable to reach scientists and well-educated
    >individuals because they reject the gospel message as unbelievable, they
    >spend an eternity in hell. That's HELL, Moorad. PJ's message is
    >counterproductive, in my estimation, meaning that on balance we lose more
    >than we win. Reduced to simple terms, PJ's message is that if there is a
    >God there can be no evolution, or if evolution is true, there is no
    >God. (If I misunderstand that then please correct me.)
    >
    >Contrast that message with Howard Van Till's that there is a God and there
    >is evolution. If Howard is wrong, no harm done. If PJ is wrong (and he
    >is), he has given all those who know or believe in the science of evolution
    >a reason to disbelieve. His message only hardens those who might otherwise
    >believe. At the same time, he gives Christians a false message which
    >sounds plausible enough, but do we gain any new Christians? I think not.
    >
    >If I thought that my message had the potential of causing any person to
    >reject the gospel of Jesus Christ I would rather that God remove me from
    >the playing field. Far better my physical life be shortened then that
    >anyone should endure an eternity of "weeping," "wailing," and "gnashing of
    >teeth" (Matt. 8:12; 13:42; 13:50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30; Luke 13:28).
    >
    >We might disagree as to whether his overall impact is positive or negative,
    >but many on this list have voiced strong objections to his message, and I
    >agree with them. Would Christianity fare better with some if its soldiers
    >off the battle field and in the infirmary? Yes, I believe it would.
    >
    >Dick Fischer - The Origins Solution - www.orisol.com
    >"The answer we should have known about 150 years ago"



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