Re: Re: Cosmic Laws Like Speed of Light Might Be Changing, a Study Finds]

From: Moorad Alexanian (alexanian@uncwil.edu)
Date: Sat Sep 15 2001 - 09:48:12 EDT

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    Regarding the possibility of a theory deriving the fine structure constant,
    Dirac indicated that in such a theory it would be Planck's constant that
    would be the derived quantity and not the electric charge nor the speed of
    light. Moorad

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "george murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
    To: "ASA List" <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:54 AM
    Subject: [Fwd: Re: Cosmic Laws Like Speed of Light Might Be Changing, a
    Study Finds]

    > An update on the itme below from this list about month ago,
    > since I finally got time to get down to the library & look at the actual
    > paper in Phys. Rev. Lett. of 27 August 2001, 091301-4, by J.K. Webb et
    > al., "Further Evidence for Cosmological Evolution of the Fine Structure
    > Constant". It presents evidence from quasar absorption spectra for a
    > variantion in alpha = (e^2)/(h-bar)c . As I noted originally, the
    > simplest way to understand this is as a variation of e, not c (or h).
    > The paper does mention briefly near the end the possibility of a
    > variation in c but primarily because they think (with reference to
    > papers by other authors) that it could help to explain some other
    > cosmological data.
    > Highlighting the possibility of a change in the speed of light
    > seems to have been the decision of science writers rather that the
    > scientists involved in the work themselves. I don't know whether this
    > is because a change in c (with the possibility in the change of
    > Einstein's iconic status) is more jazzy than a variation in e or because
    > the writers just thought it was easier for the publisc to understand,
    > but it does seem to be an interesting commentary on the popular
    > presentation of science today.
    >
    >
    > -------- Original Message --------
    > Subject: Re: Cosmic Laws Like Speed of Light Might Be Changing, a
    > Study Finds
    > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:55:15 -0400
    > From: george murphy <gmurphy@raex.com>
    > To: "Moorad Alexanian<alexanian@uncwil.edu>"
    > <alexanian@uncwil.edu>
    > CC: asa <asa@calvin.edu>
    > References: <3B7B13F7@webmail1>
    >
    > "Moorad Alexanian" wrote:
    >
    > > AUG 15, 2001
    > > Cosmic Laws Like Speed of Light Might Be Changing, a Study Finds
    > > By JAMES GLANZ and DENNIS OVERBYE
    >
    > Without prejudice to the potential importance of this discovery (if
    > it holds up), the suggestion that c might be changing is an unwarranted
    > extrapolation. The fine structure constant determines the strength of
    > the EM interaction, & while it would indeed be surprising to find that
    > that it's changed in the way described here, there are ways of making
    > sense of that. In relativity, OTOH, c is a conversion factor between
    > different units for space-time intervals: 1 sec = 300,000 km. Thus a
    > change in c would be like a change in the conversion factor between
    > Celsius & Fahrenheit.
    > Of course a changing c isn't impossible. But it would mean that
    > we'd have to abandon not just a theory of a particular interaction but
    > special relativity, which defines the framework within which all local
    > physics has been understood for a century. (& this wouldn't mean "Back
    > to Newton" since all of the phenomena that SRT explains better than
    > classical physics would remain.)
    >
    > Shalom,
    >
    > George
    >
    > George L. Murphy
    > http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
    > "The Science-Theology Interface"
    >



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