Re: New synthesis of science and religion

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Sun Jun 24 2001 - 18:41:12 EDT

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    John,
    Since I got this message twice, and I want to avoid the charm of the
    third, I reply that I am delighted that you discovered tetrads that were
    missed by everyone for millennia.
    Dave

    On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:21:07 -0700 "John" <legacypr@lucernevalley.net>
    writes:
    > David
    > I can tell you are very much of a traditionalist, but there are no
    > "facts,"
    > only opinions in ethical philosophy. I can cite good reasons for the
    > additions made, such as St. Paul talks about "decency" in 1 CO:14,
    > immediately following Chapt 13, where he expounds upon faith, hope,
    > and
    > charity. Similarly, Plato writes extensively about "wisdom" in the
    > context
    > of beauty, truth, and goodness. It is perhaps a shortcoming on the
    > part of
    > the later commentaries that these significant insights were missed.
    > In
    > truth, all new progress is made through discovering new insights and
    > relationships. I was hoping that the cohesive and orderly nature of
    > this new
    > system of virtues and values would be a reasonable validation, or at
    > least
    > warrant more serious consideration.
    > Sincerely
    > John
    >
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    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
    > To: legacypr@lucernevalley.net <legacypr@lucernevalley.net>
    > Cc: asa@calvin.edu <asa@calvin.edu>
    > Date: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:54 PM
    > Subject: Re: New synthesis of science and religion
    >
    >
    > Dave writes:
    >
    > >I find the several sets of four curious. The first are Plato's four
    > >cardinal virtues, but there are only three theological virtues.
    > Combined
    > >with Plato's, there are the traditional Seven Cardinal Virtues. The
    > Greek
    > >convertibles are three in number, beauty, truth and goodness. Looks
    > to me
    > >as though, when reality doesn't fit, John forces a fit.
    > >Dave
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:53:08 -0700 "John"
    > <legacypr@lucernevalley.net>
    > >writes:
    > >>
    > >> A new model of motivational behavior, described as a ten-level,
    > >> meta-hierarchy of the major groupings of virtues, values, and
    > >> ideals, serves
    > >> as the foundation for a new holistic theory of ethics and
    > morality:
    > >> with
    > >> revolutionary applications to behavioral science. The key
    > innovation
    > >> arises
    > >> as a direct outcome of the Communications Theory concept of the
    > >> metaperspective (a higher-order perspective upon the viewpoint
    > held
    > >> by
    > >> another). The traditional groupings of ethical terms are
    > >> collectively
    > >> arrayed as subsets within such a hierarchy of metaperspectives,
    > each
    > >> more
    > >> abstract listing building in a direct fashion upon that which it
    > >> supersedes.
    > >> Take, for example, the cardinal virtues
    > >> (prudence-justice-temperance-fortitude), the theological virtues
    > >> (faith-hope-charity-decency), and the classical Greek values
    > >> (beauty-truth-goodness-wisdom). Each of these groupings is split
    > >> into a
    > >> complex of four subordinate terms, allowing for precise,
    > >> point-for-point
    > >> stacking within the ethical hierarchy. When additional groupings
    > of
    > >> ethical
    > >> terms are further added into the mix: namely, the personal ideals
    > >> (glory-honor-dignity-integrity), the civil liberties
    > >> (providence-liberty-civility-austerity), the humanistic values
    > >> (peace-love-tranquility-equality), and the mystical values
    > >> (ecstasy-bliss-joy-harmony), amongst others; the complete ten
    > level
    > >> hierarchy of metaperspectives emerges in full detail: along with
    > >> their
    > >> associated foundations in behavioral terminology.
    > >> ___________________________________________________
    > >
    >



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