On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:50:31 -0600 "Jeff Witters"
<jeffwitters@hotmail.com> writes:
> I got a call from my father, a Nazarene minister, the other night.
> One of
> the flock (a quiet agronimist) got pulled into a c/e discussion at
> work, got
> leveled by a stumper, and came to Dad wondering how to resolve the
> question.
>
> So, I am trying to pull together some resources for him on the topic
> of
> "original sin" and its effects on creation. Specifically these are
> in
> answer to Sure-Fire Evolutionist Stumper #371: Evolution can't
> possibly be
> true because the Bible teaches that no death existed before the
> Fall.
>
First, where in the Bible does it say this? This claim requires mostly
extrabiblical claims to derive it.
Second, what kind of death is in view in Genesis 2:17? Unless God lied,
Adam died the day he ate.* But the record tells us that he had children
who inherited a fallen nature from him (4:1f, 25; 5:4; Romans 5:12), and,
for that matter, needed clothes after the Fall, and had a new
complication in raising food (Genesis 3:15-19, 21). Consider also Eve's
status (3:16). Finally, it won't get him brownie points with his
opponents, but the chap may refer to II Peter 3:16.
Dave
*This would not be telling for day-age interpreters, but the problem
noted springs strictly from those who insist on 24-hour days. So the
specious "thousand years as a day" (Psalm 90:4; II Peter 3:8) cannot bail
them out.
> I know that many have addressed this issue and I already have some
> materials. I am especially looking for anything from a TE
> perspective. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated. Any tips on getting the search
> funtion
> to work on the listserv archives would be great too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Witters
>
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