Perhaps you can help me in the following. The creation was good. Imperfect
people like us see it today as not good. What happened in between? Was
there a place, Paradise, where unfallen man lived, while the rest of
creation had already fallen? Did Satan fall first and marred the creation,
the Bible indicates that? Can we ever conceive of creation before the fall
of man or Satan? Could man control his body function and his own death by
his spirit/mind before the Fall? I am not answering your question with more
questions but these are the things that bounce around my head when I think
about this issue? For instance, what would a reversible world look like
where irreversibility was not present? If created man did not die, could the
world have been reversible? Pure speculations on my part. Moorad
P.s. There is something inconsistent with heat flowing from a cold body to
a hotter body that may go beyond the second law. There would be no
equilibrium as we know it, i.e., same temperature, with the colder body
going down to absolute zero and the hotter body becoming even hotter.
-----Original Message-----
From: george murphy <gmurphy@raex.com>
To: Moorad Alexanian <alexanian@uncwil.edu>
Cc: Dawsonzhu@aol.com <Dawsonzhu@aol.com>; asa@calvin.edu <asa@calvin.edu>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Meaning of "fine-tuning"
>
>
>Moorad Alexanian wrote:
>
>> George are you saying the Fall occurred less than One Billion B.C.?
>
> I guess I need for you to say more precisely what you mean by "the
Fall"
>before I can answer this. If "the Fall" means the first sin of humanity
then
>certainly it was later than 10^9 B.C. If it was the sin of any rational
>creature in the physical universe then my question just has to be
rephrased:
>Wasn't there a net flow of heat from the regions of higher to regions of
lower
>temperature in the fireball radiation detected by COBE rather than the
other
>way?
>
>
>
>> The
>> mystery of how created man, creates math and theories that explain nature
>> will never be resolved except to say that nature and man are creations of
>> God. Perhaps the creativity of man is the remnant of being created in
the
>> image of God the Creator. One can say no more than that and the
>> overwhelming number of articles that purport to explain that mystery is
mere
>> fancy.
>
> No basic disagreement with you here, but I don't see why this
implies
>anything like your previous statements to the effect that our laws of
physics
>are _merely_ human constructions &
>that it's wrong to try to develop any theory of divine action - or so I
>understood them.
>
>
>Shalom,
>
>George
>
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