George are you saying the Fall occurred less than One Billion B.C.? The
mystery of how created man, creates math and theories that explain nature
will never be resolved except to say that nature and man are creations of
God. Perhaps the creativity of man is the remnant of being created in the
image of God the Creator. One can say no more than that and the
overwhelming number of articles that purport to explain that mystery is mere
fancy. Moorad
-----Original Message-----
From: george murphy <gmurphy@raex.com>
To: Moorad Alexanian <alexanian@uncwil.edu>
Cc: Dawsonzhu@aol.com <Dawsonzhu@aol.com>; asa@calvin.edu <asa@calvin.edu>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Meaning of "fine-tuning"
>
>
>Moorad Alexanian wrote:
>
>> I believe that when you say that the boundary conditions have to be set
in,
>> you are already assuming that there is a deterministic (mathematical)
>> equation that determines the future evolution of the whole thing. I
contest
>> that. I think God has access to the whole of spacetime, not only time.
All
>> of us are worldlines to God. He sees the future because He saw us do it
>> already. I think it is rather difficult to know how God interacts with
>> nature, especially since He sustains the whole thing. I think that
>> irreversibility in the universe is a consequence of the Fall.
>
> So back in One Billion B.C. heat sometimes flowed spontaneously
from hot
>a hot region to a cold one?
>
>
>> I think it is
>> better to plead ignorance rather than to make all sorts of speculative
>> remarks and, even worse, to write articles about how God interacts with
>> nature.
>
> Any theological effort can be useless or even harmful if it is pure
>speculation which has no value for proclamation or teaching of the
Christian
>message. On the other hand, the church cannot avoid the responsibility of
>thinking through its faith in order to proclaim & teach clearly, to avoid
error,
>& to communicate with people living in various cultures - including our
>scientific-technological culture.
>Doctrines of creation & providence are part of that task.
> We can teach little children to pray "Give us this day our daily
bread"
>& they may simply believe that God feeds them. Fine. When they grow up &
start
>asking how they can relate that faith to the fact that we understand in
some
>detail how we get our daily bread with no reference at all to God, simply
>pleading ignorance is irresponsible. We should make it clear that our
models &
>theories of divine action are human models & theories & not revealed truth.
But
>that's quite different from just shrugging our shoulders & saying we
haven't a
>clue.
>
>Shalom,
>
>George
>
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