RE: Test message

From: glenn morton (glenn.morton@btinternet.com)
Date: Sat Oct 14 2000 - 08:42:28 EDT

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    Let me see if I can stir something up. There was a news report of a new type
    of animal being found in Greenland. While the report I have is not a
    scientific description, it sounds as if this is a new phyla. The report can
    be found at:

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001012/sc/life_animal_dc_1.html

    The article points out that this is the 4th new phyla found during the past
    100 years. One can only conclude from this that we are in an even more
    explosive period than existed at the Cambrian 'Explosion'. For those who
    believe that direct divine activity is responsible for the creation of new
    phyla, can it be explained exactly how we would recognize that God created
    these four new phyla this century, and what would be the evidence that could
    be advanced? Given that none of these newer phyla have fossil records, it
    seems to me that to claim that these animals lived much longer ago and are
    only now being found requires the manufacture of a belief state for their
    existence in times past--something for which there is no evidence.

    One of the other new phyla lives on lobster lips:

    "The mouthparts of the Norway lobster Nephrops are colonized by an
    acoelomate metazoan, Symbion pandora gen. et sp. nov. Sessile stages
    continually produce inner buds replacing feeding structures. They also
    produce one of three motile stages: (1) larvae containing new feeding
    stages, (2) dwarf males, which settle on feeding stages, or (3) females,
    which settle onto lobster mouthparts, eand eventually degenerate, giving
    rise to dispersive larvae. All motile stages are short-lived, and do not
    feed. The structure and function of the cilia suggest a phylogeneitc
    position in Protostomia, while some aspects of inner budding and brooding of
    larvae are similar to those of Entoprocta and Ectoprocta. the dispersive
    larva possesses a mesodermal supporting chordoid structure, otherwise absent
    in protostomian larvae. We believe that all the above features of this
    previously undescribed species warrant the recognition of a new phylum with
    affinities to Ectoprocta and Entoprocta."~Petar Funch and Reinhardt Mobjerg
    Kristensen, "Cycliophora is a new phylum with affinities to Entoprocta and
    Ectoprocta," Nature, 378, Dec. 14, 1995, p. 711.

    How do we tell progressive creation from evolution? How do we prove that
    God created these phyla within the past century? Of course it will be
    denied that they were created within the past 100 years, but is that
    reflective of a 'need' on the part of progressive creationists to move the
    progressive creation back in time and out of the period of scrutiny? Edgar
    Allan Poe, I believe, said something like, the further away in place and
    time that a story is set, the more incredible the tale can be. If a
    progressive creationist claims, like Hugh Ross (The Genesis Question,
    (Colorado Springs: NavPress, 1998), p. 150), that there is currently no
    divine creation of the creatures going on, does that constitute a case of
    taking Poe's advice and moving God's creativity further off in space and
    time?

    glenn

    see http://www.flash.net/~mortongr/dmd.htm
    for lots of creation/evolution information

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