Re: natural selection in salvation history

From: Bert Massie (bert@massie-labs.com)
Date: Mon Jul 24 2000 - 19:12:26 EDT

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    David Campbell wrote:

    > > 1. A mechanism that can make substantial genetic changes in step wise fashion.
    > > 2. The existence of a gene trajectory path from animal A to animal B with
    > >each change being large and benficial enough to modify reproduction rates for
    > >the animal with the genetic benefits.
    >
    > As long as accumulated mutations do not decrease the reproductive success
    > so much as to cause it to die out, they can persist. This depends strongly
    > on how tough the selective pressure is. If everything is easy,
    > disadvantageous mutants can survive because there is little pressure. If
    > the environment is so bad that everyone is in trouble, disadvantageous
    > mutants may be able to survive because they are not competing against other
    > individuals but are rather matched against the environment. This fits the
    > pattern of gradual and punctuated patterns in the fossil record fairly
    > well, to the extent that it has been examined. Times with low competition
    > (such as just after a mass extinction) or very stable conditions tend to
    > show rapid evolutionary radiation or gradual change. Times with moderate
    > environmental variation tend to show stasis punctuated by rapid shifts.
    >
    > > 3. A quickly acting mechanism to make this happen which is triggered by
    > >something to be identified because the fossil evidence is for stasis with
    > >punctuated and rapid changes.
    >
    > One rapid mechanism for genetic change comes from the role of heat-shock
    > proteins. Normally, they stabilize other proteins. However, they transfer
    > over to emergency use in times of severe cellular stress, such as heat
    > shock. When they abandon their normal stabilizing function, mutations in
    > those proteins that had been covered by the work of the heat-shock proteins
    > may come into play and be selected for or against.

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    David
    This is speculation not explanation. Where is the evidence that at a time of severe
    stress for whatever the cause that a blind animal suddenly developes the ability to
    see by this mechanism? Certainly if you believe as I do that these rapid periods of
    invention occured you must postulate a means to make it happen. However, I still do
    not see a viable mechanism. If you believe in this above postulate, may I ecourage
    you to take some fruit flies (take a large population and the little animals breed
    rapidly) and get some experimental evidence for inventive genetics (sorry, bigger
    wings or different color will not do). I want to see some new body feature of
    import. This is not a hard experiment and the numbers of generations and population
    levels should be adequate.

    Bert M.

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    > David C.



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