RE: End of Cheap oil

From: Joel Z Bandstra (bandstra@ese.ogi.edu)
Date: Sat Jul 15 2000 - 00:51:45 EDT

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    In Wendee's post below she makes several comments that indicate an
    anti-technology attitude as a response to various environment degradation
    problems. I think this is an inappropriate response to environmental
    issues and represents a poorly constructed view of technology in general.
     (not that I am faulting Wendee in particular, for I have oft felt the same
    way and also do not have a very well constructed view of technology) Doing
    technology both individually and as a society is very much an intrinsic
    human endeavor. It is an ability that God has graciously endowed us with.
    Difficult situations, ones in which people are treated unjustly and ones
    where God's creation is degraded, have arisen and will continue to arise
    due to the doing of technology but this is not a reason to avoid doing
    technology anymore than thinking bad thoughts is a reason to stop thinking.

    At any rate, a discussion on this list concerning the question of an
    appropriate Christian view of technology could be interesting and useful,
    particularly since there is a significant pressure to do science that will
    yield technologically useful results. Even though (or perhaps, especially
    because) my research has a highly applied spin, I feel that I am
    ill-equipped to think about the issues of morality that surround such
    technology producing endeavors. I wonder if others feel the same.

    Perhaps a good place to begin would be the development of a Christian
    response to the dilemma of energy sources. Should we be praying for
    electric cars? Should the Church be standing against strip mining and new
    hydro-electric projects in Chile in much the same way that it stands in
    opposition to abortion? What does it mean to trust in the sovereign Lord
    when it comes to matters of technology?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Wendee Holtcamp [SMTP:wendee@greendzn.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 7:56 PM
    To: glenn morton; asa@calvin.edu
    Subject: Re: End of Cheap oil

        Glenn wrote:
    >I write this as a person whose responsibility it is to find new oil
    >sources. While we have been wildly successful over the past 3 years,
    my
    >group hasn't been able to change the facts outlined below by much
    more than
    >a dent.

    Well why don't we just destroy vast wilderness areas like Alaska's
    Arctic National Wildlife Refige? Let's denigrate Creation in the name
    of the world's oil-God!

    >"At current rates of consumption, known reserves of Petroleum will be
    gone
    >in about thirty-five years; natural gas in fifty-two years; and coal
    in

    I've been hearing these stats for some 10-15 years now. You get
    different numbers every few years, projecting the known reserves to
    last another 10 years or so. I tend to agree oil will eventually run
    out, but certainly not before big-money destroys all the last great
    wild places. And if you've been to Alaska, you know how absolutely
    amazing and irreplaceable it is.

    > First, the auto will be a thing of the past--period. Enjoy your cars
    while
    >you can. People will either have to telecommute, bicycle to work like
    the
    >Chinese, or lose their jobs. Cities like Houston, where there are
    major
    >commute distances requiring lots of gasoline, simply won't be viable
    in the

    Halellujia for that!! If only it were so. I wish we could return to
    agriarian societies where we drove horse and cart. That would be so
    incredible. Ah to be able to breathe the fresh air and not
    asthma-causing smog. (and I do live in Houston). More realistically,
    we will turn to electric vehicles, OR natural gas (I didn't notice
    Electric or hybrids mentioned in your alternatives - and God willing
    my next car will be the Toyota Prius - the hybrid electric vehicle
    that just came out). Yes petroleum is also used but if we actually put
    some teeth into legislation that required stricter gas mileage on
    vehicles, than maybe we could cut consumption in half. Oh, but then we
    hear whining by the billion-dollar corporations who will "lose money."

    >agricultural fertilizer. That means that food production costs will
    rise
    >and yields decline. Pesticides are also made from petroleum. While no
    one
    >likes pollution, without pesticides, crop yields would be much less
    per
    >acre, which is why organic food costs so much.

    You really can't make valid assumptions about cycles of cause and
    effect, and what will happen. I hear this type of thing from various
    environmental groups all the time, and while I consider myself an
    environmentalist, I prefer caution and faith. We can't predict what
    inventions will arise or what will ensue. Nonetheless I am *all for*
    less destructive means of transportation that gas-driven autos,
    tractors, trains, ships. But I'd rather pump scientific money into
    alternatives and innovation than in investing money in finding more
    oil.

    >Petroleum is used to make electrical energy which in turns powers
    the
    >computer upon which I am typing. A severe energy crisis will cut into
    the
    >power generation and thus the our ability to use computers, air

    I don't really see how you can make such sweeping generalizations
    about the future.

    >While no single energy source is ready to take the place of fossil
    fuels,
    >their diminishing availability may be offset by a regimen of
    >conservation and a combination of alternative energy sources. This
    will not

    Amen to that!!!!

    >and there is absoltutely nothing we can do about it. A high effort
    oil
    >exploration program will slow the decline. Conservation, which will
    surely

    Is this a plug for your own job?

    >occur as the oil price rises, will delay the ultimate day of
    reckoning but
    >not for long. If we were to cut the oil use by 1/3 today, we might
    delay
    >the decline by about 15 years.

    We can use statistics to show about anything we want. Conservation
    efforts can be very much more effective than 25-33%. If we actually
    spent some government money on redoing our architecture, our
    landscaping, our roofs, turned our blacktop to concrete, we could
    significantly reduce our AC bills (there is a major EPA project
    funding several metro areas to do just that). But if it were taken
    seriously all over along with any number of other conservation
    efforts, we would wean ourself of the milk of the capitalist God. Heck
    I would welcome a stone age again. Sometimes I think this society is
    set up for self destruction anyway.

    You go to any number of impoverished nations and the people there are
    so much more appreciative and giving -- when they have NOTHING to
    give -- than we are in our fancy car, fancy house, fancy clothes
    oil-driven society. What is more important -- our economic condition
    or our spiritual condition? Obviously we in America have chosen
    economics over God in many ways. God will bless our society with
    continued prosperity if it turns to Him and not to Oil or Money but I
    don't doubt your scenarios would strike terror in the hearts of those
    who love their Money! (not that they would be so bad for those who
    love God and have faith no matter the circumstance). With God's
    spirit, Christians can endure any circumstance, any poverty, any
    hunger, any pain. And with joy!

    >For the oil man, the end of the cycles of hire and fire at our
    companies
    >may be at hand. As the oil supply declines worldwide, there will be a
    need
    >for good oil finders.

    Better start training now for conservation work! :)

    In Christ's love (and a slight bit of sarcasm)

    Wendee



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