At 08:53 PM 3/11/00 -0500, George Murphy wrote:
> Of course I am not "rejecting" Genesis 3 as you well know if you have paid
>aattention to what I've said.
I have paid attention to what you have said. You obviously think that it
doesn't have to be historical to be valid. I simply can't see how that can
be. Its the same discussion we have had innumerable times.
>
I wrote:
>> How can Adam fail if the event describing the failing didn't happen? Since
>> Genesis 3 didn't happen, I can only conclude that Adam was successful
>> because nothing happened at all with him, Eve and the snake. I can now see
>> that theologians have really messed it up about Adam all these years. In
>> fact they have slandered him. He didn't fail.
>>
>> To me, George this view is self-falsifying.
>
> Because you are operating in caricature mode. I see no point in
continuing the discussion on that basis.
George, I am not trying to operate in caricature mode. YOu said in your
last post:
>>>But you seem to be arguing that _logically_ the NT claim that Christ
atoned for sin requires that sin be understood as having originated
historically as described in Gen.3, & thus that we can conclude that if
Christ really atoned for sin then Gen.3 must have really happened that
way.<<<
If Genesis 3 didn't happen the way it is written, then clearly what is
written is absolutely false. It happened in some other way that is not
written. And if it happened in some other way, then Adam didn't sin at all.
Someone else did in some other way. Either we allow the Bible to
communicate about its events and accept or reject them as being either true
or false or we are forced to believe that what didn't happen really
happened and what really happened wasn't written about. This is all like
Alice in Wonderland to me. George, I am not trying to mock you. I simply
can't see how what didn't happen as was written about, can be real and
important to the atonement of Christ. If what is written didn't happen,
then what is written is false. That is simple logic.
I would rather follow Provine, my former boss, Templeton and Farrell Till
than believe what is false is really true and what is true is described by
a false story. I really mean that.
glenn
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