[Fwd: Re: biology (was Re: *Physical constants)]

From: Massie (mrlab@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu Jan 13 2000 - 11:20:03 EST

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    > >The real issue is macromutations. The real issue is wholesale invention
    > >of organs. Why, lets take the eye for example. what an idea.
    >
    > Evolution of the eye is relatively easy to bring about gradually,
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    Really.
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    I am a very patient person. What to explain this to me?

    Could you please include:

    1) Development of biochemical processes step by step showing adaptive
    utility of each step.
    Photoactivity must be connected to a set re-set mechanism and must be
    connected to the
    neorological system in some fashion.

    2) Connection of light sensitive procell to the brain.
    The real complexity is in the brain in spite of the enormous complexity
    of the biochemichemistry
    of the retina.

    3) Neural processes for use of this infomation, that is the information
    processing.
    How does the animal know?

    Please, go ahead, take your time, I will wait. I will clean out my
    email inbasket
    for your responce.

    Also, I want to know the proported time frame for these mutations. That
    is,
    according to the geological record, every so often a nasty rock from
    space kinda messed
    things up.

    Also, every so often, there were prompt (relativly speaking) climate
    changes, limiting
    the actual number of generations available without some kind of external
    and quick
    acting extinction process.

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    as all
    > the intermediate steps are useful,
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    WOW. This is a great assertion. Want to support it with someting.
    Please, fill us in.

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     not to mention the full range of degree
    > of eye development. A single light-sensitive cell is enough to detect
    > light versus dark, which could indicate time of day, approaching shadow, or
    > exposure versus hiding. All of those are useful information. Increases in
    > complexity allow improved visual acuity, useful for more detailed
    > information about the surroundings. For example, even though I am very
    > nearsighted, without my glasses
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    Reduction in the utility of an existing function is not very
    convincing. You
    still have a great processing unit collecting even mitigated
    information.

    Actually, you are nearsighted.

    You have given an enormous assertion and confused it to be even a
    plausible
    scientific theory. Really, can you count the bytes of information in
    the eye
    for example and then estimate the number of bytes of information that
    could
    be generated per generation and then the number of generations.
    Something
    to hang this on, just something.

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    I can still get a lot of useful information
    > about objects, such as avoiding obstacles while moving. In the case of
    > color vision in primates, the specific mutations involved in evolving from
    > colorblindness to full 3 color vision are known. The different forms of
    > eyes in different groups also shows that there is more than one way to see
    > a cat. Although meeting the common goal of good vision, the variation
    > among eyes shows that many different ways of getting to that goal exist.
    > In ID terms, they are not highly specified.

    Bert M.
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