Fw: [reiterations] Reply to Glenn

Paul Arveson (bridges@his.com)
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:54:26 -0400

I'm forwarding this message to the ASA list because it gives a
representative
example of how a scientist sees creationist literature. Because the
YECs have basically been banned from publishing within the
scientific establishment, they created their own schools, their own
publishing houses, and their own "science". Apparently this is not a
very convincing tactic other than to the lay audiences that compose the
YEC supporters.

Paul A.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Cavanaugh <Michaelcav@AOL.COM>
To: <reiterations@META-LIST.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 7:53 AM
Subject: [reiterations] Reply to Glenn

> Dear Glenn,
>
> Two things at the very end of your posting will help to focus my thoughts
in
> response to yours. One is those two letters "M.D.," which tells me that
you
> respect evidence (in fact I LOVE the way the medical profession is
spiffing
> up its image as we speak, by starting to call its discipline
"evidence-based
> medicine"). The second is your closing "Sincerely as a truth seeker."
> Although I suspect that Lynne's comment dovetails perfectly with the first
> observation (the M.D. part), and although I agree with her that there is
> overwhelming evidence for evolution, it seems to me that this second
> observation (the "truth seeker" part) might be more significant. As a
very
> gross attempt to read between the lines, I suspect that, like me, you were
> raised in a tradition that could not see the harmony that Lynne and others
on
> this list now see between science (and especially evolution) and religion.
I
> still consider myself a true seeker in many areas of my life, but this
> business of evolution is one where I claimed the promise that "if you seek
> you will find" by spending 15 years in a focused search on the issue, and
at
> this point I am very confident that evolution is indeed true, though I
could
> always be persuaded by evidence weighty enough to challenge the huge
amount
> that Lynne points to.
>
> My suggestion for beginning a true search is less sophisticated than what
> Lynne might suggest. She might suggest that you read a significant
portion
> of the evidence for evolution (and of course your medical background makes
> even the technical evidence quite accessible to you). My suggestion is
> rather to read the most basic evolution document of all, namely Darwin's
"The
> Origin of Species." Most bookstores still carry it, it is a quick and
easy
> read, and even those who disagree with Darwin should read it as part of
> their overall education. What is fascinating is the way he unfolds the
> evidence. Yes, there have been many additions and even some subtractions
to
> his basic approach, but it is just amazing how well he saw things,
primarily
> because of his focus on evidence and "truth seeking." It was one of those
> cases where many smart people said "Oh, no, why didn't I think of that?
It
> is so obvious once you put the evidence together." I don't remember
offhand
> what all the chapters are, but they include treatments of embryology,
> fossils, and geography, to name three. Each of the other chapters set out
> the evidence from yet another angle. The pages just drip with the careful
> and gentle personality of the man. I do not worship him, but it is
> impossible not to be very impressed with what he did. And it is relevant
to
> both evidence and to truth seeking, in my opinion.
>
> If you have already read Darwin, then my second suggestion may sound
strange.
> It is to read two or three of the creationist books. In my own case, I
> found them almost as convincing FOR evolution as I found Darwin and more
> recent summaries of the evidence for evolution. That is because their use
of
> evidence is so incompetent (or perhaps so competent as to be fraudulent,
in
> some cases). But I am confident that someone who deals daily with
evidence,
> as you and I do, will be persuaded by their shoddy use of it to see all
the
> clearer that evolution is true.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael Cavanaugh
> Attorney and author of "Biotheology: A New Synthesis of Science and
Religion"
> (University Press of America, 1996)
>