Re: Several topics

R. Joel Duff (Virkotto@intrnet.net)
Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:40:37 -0600 (CST)

>At 10:27 PM 1/20/98 -0600, Glenn wrote:
>
>>No, not subaqueously. My neice and nephew grew up on a farm in SW Nebraska
>>in an area known as the sand hills. Geologically about a thousand years ago
>>Western Nebraska was a desert with dunes. Even in the 30s my former sister
>>in law tells me that the dunes started moving again and covered some farm
>>houses. Today the huge sand dunes are covered with grass which stabilizes
>>them. When it rains hard, the slopes fail and then they bury things. The
>>following is from the New York Times account of this issue which gives stuff
>>the Geology article doesn't.
>
>O.K. I'll take the challenge. The deposit covers a hundred of square km.
>Would you choose to explain the destruction of thousands of dinosaurs all
>in the same layer in an area of 100 sq km by individual chance slumps of
>dunes in a time frame that puts them all in the same stratigraphic unit, or
>by a subaqueous debris flow that covered a huge area bringing in cobbles
>too big to have been transported by wind? It is important to look at the
>data, not just the interpretations. I know when you have been given the
>challenge of advising on acquisition of a new lease, you don't just take
>the word of other people on whether it is worthwhile or not. You go to the
>heart of the data and reevaluate the data yourself. And I'll bet you dont
>always end up agreeing with the assessment of others. And this is in an
>area where there are no philosophical issues (unless you consider your job
>to be philosophical...). Also, remember, no fossil vegetation anywhere in
>the deposit. This is a catastrophic burial that demands water, a lot of
>it, water that can bring in cobbles as well as sand in a debris flow.

Art and Glenn,
Fascinating stuff, I might have to do some more reading on this paticular
deposit. Let me throw in one more complicating factor. Is it not these
very deposits that also record whole "nests" of eggs found intact with
possibly at least one case of a crouched dinosaur skeleton over them? If
that is so it is probably this fact that most puzzles me in a global flood
context. I guess I wouldn't be all that quick to claim I had an
explanation after this exchange but I do see this as particularly
challenging to global flood advocates. I was under the impression these
deposits were not considered post-flood and I can't imagine they could be
considered pre-flood and thus the dilemma. If I am way off please let me
know since I have used this example in the past in conversation with YEC
friends and I don't want to be forwarding missinformation. If not maybe
you could incorporate this info into both of your hypotheses?

joel

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